User talk:Lucifer1987

Hi there. I must tell you ahead of time that I'm not trying to make any judgment calls, but, I've noticed that you have told EllieMurasaki on numerous occasions that, the "discussion is closed"; yet for some reason you've continued to reply to his or her posts every time. Wouldn't it be the "mature" thing to do if you just stopped replying to his or her comments; clearly, you and I both disagree with EllieMurasaki's so called "facts"; just drop the case, and ignore this user's constant-irrelevant ranting, and don't let your views or thoughts be changed because someone else says "you're wrong".

Confused Koopa Kid, Oct 31st 2010

Hey there.

Based on the evidence that you have posted on the talk page of Lucifer's Cage, I sincerely agree with your comments. On the other hand, spoilers are not Canon; so, any info that hasn't been said in the show itself, is classified as false info. But like you said, Lucifer did tell Dean that Michael banished him into Hell for disobeying God. So, what other facts does User:EllieMurasaki need to see that Lucifer's Cage is in Hell? I also noticed how that user kept straying from the actual argument petition.

- Confused Koopa Kid, September 24th 2010

I don't consider the comments of the show creators to be false information, I consider it supplementary information meant to clarify. But I am glad to see someone else is willing to see reason, and that Lucifer's Cage was confirmed multiple times to be part of Hell throughout the show. Lucifer1987 17:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Confused Koopa Kid's Response:

Wow! No offense but just by reading your conversation simply shows how truly dedicated you both are to the show. Although I must agree with Lucifer1987 - He or She has provided accurate information concerning Hell and Lucifer's Cage. And no offense but EllieMurasaki has strayed from the main argument on numerous instances. Here's my opinion on the matter:

Hell and Lucifer's Cage are of the same plane but exist separately, in other words, the place where demons are made is not of the Ninth Circle where Lucifer was kept imprisoned during the fourth season. And in our (Lucifer1987 and Confused Koopa Kid) favor, Dean did say that Sam's Hell would make the time that Dean spent in Hell look like Graceland. Also, Sera Gamble did say that Lucifer's Cage is of the Ninth Circle. So it makes no sense at all to think that Hell and Lucifer's Cage are the same.

Well that concludes my opinion.

- Confused Koopa Kid, Oct 12th 2010

Point the first: I gave you lots of evidence, none of which relied on taking the word of characters who have been repeatedly shown to be, if not unreliable narrators, then narrators whose reliability cannot be taken for a given. You ignored the lot of it. Point the second: Do you have a single thing on your contributions page that doesn't relate to this? Point the third: I won. —EllieMurasaki 02:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

All points invalid and stupidly beside any point here, and you have won nothing. Nothing has been decided yet, and I will be pressing the issue against you and will be advocating your ignorance be recognized by all to see. Lucifer1987 20:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

hey there - I'm asking everyone to leave the subject of Lucifer's Cage alone for now, and not to comment to each other about. The bottom line is canon is vague on the details so lets leave it at that until we get more info. Thanks --Missyjack 20:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey there, I appreciate your neutrality in this instance and I agree that things need to cool down, but EllieMurasaki has been harassing me on my talk page here, and I reported it to your own talk page for your viewing. I also posted a few of the many instances where it has been said that Lucifer's Cage is indeed in Hell. Thanks and I hope you will look into the matter of EllieMurasaki's harassment. Lucifer1987 20:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The next person to comment on Lucifer's Cage anywhere on the Wiki will be banned for a week. --Missyjack 19:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC)