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MisterGlass

Hey there. I didn't get a chance to see the episode so I had to wait until it got posted. It's hard to judge the strength of angels against monsters because until this season there hasn't really been any interaction between them. Lucifer took out the pagan gods, and Michael was his match, so maybe one of them would have a chance against Eve. But I don't know. Something had to have sent her to Purgatory...it would be interesting to know what. --MisterGlass 01:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the addition of the ability "healing factor" to the Angel Lore page: the healing of vessels is already listed under the "healing" ability. The specific examples you added could be put under the "healing" ability as part of the vessel bullet point, and the "healing factor" ability could be eliminated. --MisterGlass 16:23, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I changed it because while the weapons are a great help, Supernatural is often not that straightforward. When Castiel says the "Whoever holds the weapons wins the war", he is saying what he believes to be true. Characters, Cas included, have been wrong before. Sam thought Ruby was helping him, and that killing Lilith would prevent the Apocalypse. Cas, Dean, and Sam all thought the Colt would kill Lucifer. Gabriel thought Lucifer was unaware of the role the Horsemen's rings could serve in trapping him, but he did know. Twists have always been a hallmark of Supernatural. Even if the weapons can turn the tide, there is no guarantee that they will not be stolen from Castiel, or used against him by one of his own. Balthazar seemed to foreshadow this when he said, "Now you have your sword, try not to die on it." I think it is too soon to say that having the weapons really makes winning 'likely'. --MisterGlass 15:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Gender is a tough issue with beings that are naturally disembodied. I would agree with you that Raphael is a masculine entity just as Anna is a feminine entity. I am on the fence about the pronoun, though, because referring to Raphael as a she helps to distinguish the existence of a new vessel. Both 'he' and 'she' are currently being used in articles about the episode. This may be an issue that gets decided by the show, come to think of it. If Sam and Dean refer to Raphael as a 'him' or a 'her' once they are accustomed to the new vessel, then it'll be canon. --MisterGlass 01:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello again. I have nothing new to add on the issue of the horsemen's rings, and probably will not until Death's next appearance, which I assume will be later this season. As far as pages that need updated right now, I haven't had a chance to look in depth, but I think some episode entries need spell checked. Table of Death made need the latest episode added. Episode 15 had its good moments, but it is not my favorite. I feel that The Monster at the End of This Book and The Real Ghostbusters were better. I disliked the depiction of the 'real' world. There is something about Sam and Dean invading the lives of real people that makes me uncomfortable. And seeing some of those real people killed, even in a satire, made it worse. Misha's death in particular was disturbing. --MisterGlass 00:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

It is possible that the rings are meant to represent the 'weapons' of the horsemen, and that Death's weapon is an addition to what he is, and does not take away from the completeness of the entity. We may hear more in time from the writers about what they intended; after all, there are presumably three more rings buried on Bobby's property. --MisterGlass 15:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the paragraph says "The show replaces the biblical horseman Conquest with Pestilence", and then briefly describes Conquest, War, Famine, and Death as they appear in the Bible, so I maintain that the content of the two paragraphs is very similar, to the point of being repetitive. --MisterGlass 02:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello Anderson54! I see you added another paragraph to the Four Horsemen page under lore. It seems to repeat information present at the end of the other lore paragraph. --MisterGlass 02:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I suppose resurrecting Cain and Abel would have been possible, but it might have been a major disruption to the natural order. The resurrections of both Dean and Adam leveled trees, and they had been dead a comparatively short amount of time. If, as Death said, Dean's existence is an affront to the natural order, surely resurrecting two beings that have been away from Earth for thousands of years would be worse. Additionally, Sam was already primed to serve as a vessel because of the demon blood he received on his sixth month birthday. And there is something to be said for having a vessel that is familiar with the time and place in which the Apocalypse occurred. Further, there is no knowing what Cain and Abel are now. Cain killed his brother; does that mean he went to Hell? If so, surely he of all beings would be a demon, and probably an unlikely subject to consent to serve as a vessel. Neither of them would feel much connection to modern humanity. --MisterGlass 01:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I would not mind making a few edits, but it looks as though you are still actively editing, so I will wait until you are not working on the page. --MisterGlass 21:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the Four Horsemen page needs major work. Staxeon made some good comments below, covering most of the issues that I would have raised. I would also suggest that the main section of the page should only deal with the Horsemen as they appear in Supernatural. All references to the biblical account of the Horsemen should be confined to the lore subheading. --MisterGlass 20:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello there. Yes, I think there are some pages where headings are not necessary because there are only one or two paragraphs known about the character, so dividing that small amount of information up may not be helpful. In longer entries where it is useful, I do like the words 'characteristics' or 'attributes'. Regarding the Horsemen, I think the arguments in Heaven still fall under War's heading, because while the discontent spread like a plague, it is War that banishes peace and accord. He drives conflict. I speculate that both Pestilence and Famine had little to do with Heaven and what went on there. Their focus seems much more earthly. --MisterGlass 01:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

To me, superhuman speed is a 'physical' attribute of a demon moving in a meatsuit. Telekinesis is a 'mental' power. There is nothing to say that they are not interdependent, but it seems counter-intuitive to me that telekinesis would depend on a physical movement. She moved her hand rapidly, but that may not be the telekinesis at work, just her speed. My instinct is that to stop the bullet, Tammi only had to know that Dean was going to shoot, and that is a matter of perception rather than her speed of movement. Once she saw the gun, she could use her telekinesis at any moment.--MisterGlass (UTC)

I am familiar with the crown, sword, and scales as described in Revelation. It is possible that the rings represent these traditional accompaniments, as their cars represented their horses. But as we know the rings are more than symbols, and are integral to their ability to control their powers, at least where War, Famine, and Pestilence are concerned. The exact nature of the rings is somewhat still somewhat vague, so it is difficult to say more. --MisterGlass (UTC)

Castiel was without question vulnerable to both Pestilence and Famine because of his vessel, so it is likely that any other angel in his position could also be a victim. Whether or not an angel connected with Heaven would be similarly affected is difficult to say. I speculate that such an angel would be harmed by the Horsemen because, as we have seen with the Angelic Weapons, vessels of 'full' angels are still targets and can be destroyed. To me, if they can be destroyed, they can be influenced, and as long as they are influenced they will affect the angel inside. --MisterGlass (UTC)

I made my changes to the Hell page. I consider all of them minor, the page looks much improved. I suppose War could be the second Horsemen, given that Pestilence and Famine had no place in Heaven, but I do not think we have any information to say anything for certain, other than that Death is the eldest. I would say Death is my favorite, in no small part to the stellar work of Julian Richings. And Death is one of the few beings that even Dean is compelled to respect. I think there could be two interpretations of the insects around Pestilence. First, a number of insects are disease carriers, spreading the plague, yellow fever, malaria, West Nile, and a host of other ailments, so they are in a way agents of his. Second, many insects are carrion eaters, ready to feed on the dying, and where Pestilence goes, death (lower case 'd'), and therefore food, follows. --MisterGlass (UTC)

Most of the Hell information looks okay, but there are a few minor details I'd like to adjust, and a couple grammar/usage issues. Regarding the pillar of light, I speculated that it was the light emanated by Lucifer's form, channeled into a column because it was coming through the round portal, rather than his form itself. Perhaps that is semantics. --MisterGlass (UTC)

I would say that an angel is present within the vessel, not outside controlling the person, for a few reasons. The Angel Sword kills them, and if they were not within the vessel, stabbing the vessel would not have the same effect. Alastair, using a chant, tries to send Castiel "back to Heaven". Zachariah complained about "popping down into one of these smelly things", with regard to his vessel. And Holy Oil can contain an angel in a vessel, so the angel must actually be within the circle, not acting from a distance. As far as the size issue, I would suggest that the angels can fit wherever they choose to do so. Or they may be one thing in Heaven and another thing on Earth. Even the term 'physical' may not be that applicable, because it implies that which exists in the three dimensions which humans perceive. Angels are entirely other, so there is no knowing what rules actually apply. When did we see Lucifer's true form? I don't recall having seen any angel's appearance outside of a vessel.

Also, I have been looking at Hell. I think the sentences under the Characteristics heading could use some reordering. There are some descriptions of specific beings, like Samhain and the Whore of Babylon, that are repeated in the Escape from Hell section below. I think they are more useful in the second section. Actually, do we know that the Whore of Babylon was in Hell? I only remember Castiel saying "she rises" when Lucifer is on Earth. The discussion of Hell's leadership is scattered over several sentences, and I think they could be made into one paragraph. There is another sentence that says hellhounds escort human souls to Hell. While hellhounds kill the damned at the end of their deals, it seems as though reapers are the ones that actually escort souls. I see a few other things that I would like to modify. When you are finished with you editing, would you mind letting me know? I will put in my suggestions and you can review them. --MisterGlass (UTC)

Hmmm, interesting question. I hadn't thought about it, but I would speculate that just as Hell and Heaven seem to be on different planes of existence, Death's box existed outside the dimension of Earth. I doubt that it was part of Hell or Heaven, as Death had no particular allegiance. And it appears that the cage could be opened at any place of great carnage, so he may not have been confined in one earthly location. That may just have been Bobby's way of expressing the severity of the situation. He does like colorful wording. --MisterGlass (UTC)

Hello again. I'm glad to hear you got to spend time with your family. It is always nice to have that opportunity. Regarding Angel Lore, from the history it looks like I changed it from "primary paramount" to "paramount leader". At the time, I thought the original phrase was a grammatical error. "Primary paramount" seemed to me to be two similar adjectives without a noun to modify, so I removed "primary" and inserted "leader" as the noun for "paramount". I've looked at a couple of dictionaries, and one of them says that "paramount" can be used as a noun as well as an adjective, which I did not realize. This being the case, "leader" could be removed leaving "paramount" as the noun. However in this situation, I would suggest not re-inserting "primary" as a modifier, because the idea of "primary" is expressed in the definition of "paramount".

As far as the Hell page, I have a couple of things to tackle first, but I'll be sure to read through it and give you my thoughts when I have a chance. By the way, I see you added a sentence about Michael and Lucifer on the Dead...or are they? page, that finishes with "and are currently abusing Adam's soul." I think this last part is a bit speculative. It has been stated that they abused Sam's soul, but Adam has not been mentioned in this context in canon as far as I know. I have read several theories suggesting the opposite, that only Sam was being tortured. It might be best to remove the phrase until the show confirms Adam's fate. Have a nice day! --MisterGlass (UTC)

Hello Anderson54. My holidays were fine, thank you, I hope yours were as well. On December 11th I responded to a similar question from you, and gave my criteria at that time; I see they are still listed on this page. My goal is clarity. While I have edited pages after you, I do not believe I have ever reverted one of your edits. I am not trying to annoy you, but it happens that you and I are interested in editing some of the same pages. Is there a particular edit that is concerning you? --MisterGlass (UTC)

I see you finished it, and all the major players are covered. I think the definitions are a nice addition too. --MisterGlass (UTC)

Hello Anderson! I see you've been quite busy the last couple of days. Regarding the demonic section in your new Manifestation page, I believe all the relevant demonic activity is covered in the Possession page. Because "possession" is always the term used when discussing demons on the show, perhaps it would be best to post a link to the Possession or Demonic Possession pages on Manifestation under the demonic section. What do you think? And Happy Boxing Day, if you celebrate it. --MisterGlass (UTC)

I thought Appointment in Samarra was one of the best episodes so far. It is vying with Weekend at Bobby's to be my personal favorite. I was enthralled by Sam and Bobby hunting each other, and Dean and Death's confrontations were chilling. All the acting impressed me. And that final scene...what a way to leave off for hellatus. I agree, there is no way Sam can leave that drywall alone forever. Sam likes to dwell on things. I wonder how much of the last year in hell and the last year on earth he'll remember. If he ends up remembering everything RoboSam said and did and thought, it'll be like someone else was controlling him that whole year. Almost like possession. Even if he remembers nothing from hell - and I think he may have some memory, even if it only comes out in nightmares - knowing what RoboSam did ought to mess with Sam's head. --MisterGlass (UTC)

Hello! I'll touch briefly on each of your three statements. First, while God may still be on earth, it does not necessarily follow that his future plans will involve actions from Sam and Dean. As Castiel attempted to tell Dean, He works in mysterious ways, which may never be fully revealed. As for Death, he now appears to be free to follow his own plans. He may not be out to wreak havoc; he may be a more neutral force, like the reapers that follow him. It may not be necessary for him to be managed. Second, it might be nice for Sam and Dean to receive spoken support for their actions, but it may not happen. They know what they have done and why it matters, and at this point are ready to go on with their lives. They have each others' support (or will when Sam gets his soul back), and that has often been enough for them. Third, while Crowley claims to have pulled Sam and Samuel back to earth, this may or may not be true. And the idea that he is King of Hell is a new one. New information is always coming to light, so there is no guarantee that Sam and Dean will not find a way of regaining Sam's soul on their own, or with angelic assistance. We seem to have rather different perspectives, so I suppose we will have to wait and see how it works out. --MisterGlass

I am not sure that Supernatural will go that route. The series is focusing in on Sam and Dean again, and while they may get involved in Castiel and Crowley's big pictures, it may not go beyond that. And this series has always been more mystery than answers, so I suspect they'll leave God a mystery. --MisterGlass

Hello! Yes, he was an angel henchman, as confirmed by Balthazar's comment to Cas, something to the affect of 'I believe you two have flown together'. If that is the case, then the Staff of Moses can affect angels, given that he was stricken by the plague of frogs. What effect the Staff of Moses had on the angel within the vessel is unclear. It may have destroyed him, or rendered him unconscious, or forced him to leave the vessel, but at the very least he was incapacitated. As far as Pestilence's surprise in his encounter with Castiel, I interpret it in a somewhat different manner. To me, he was surprised to see an 'occupied vessel', but one without a 'speck of angel' inside, but not surprised at the effect of his powers. Castiel was more or less mortal at the time, so to think of it as an encounter between Pestilence and a real angel may be misleading. Only one of the Horsemen actually encountered a fully angelic being, and that was Famine, with Cas once again the victim. Famine affected his vessel, triggering hunger, so it seems possible that Pestilence might have been able to afflict an angel's vessel in equal measure. --MisterGlass

Hi - sorry for the delay in answering your questions but I've been on holidays for the past few weeks at Wincon and also visiting Lawrence Kansas and Stull Cemetery among other travels. I think, as with many things, canon is a bit vague, but I think the mere presence of Lucifer on Earth caused plagues and disasters. Others I think were caused by the Horsemen and I suspect, like Death, Lucifer had them under his control, although maybe they also just enjoyed the chance to cause chaos.

As to the Colt, we don't know if the five things were individuals or groups of things. So maybe it can't kill say archangels, deities, horsemen, unicorns whatever. I suspect we may never find out!

Hello Anderson 54. When I read through an article before making changes, I try to compare it to my own understanding of the show, and see if the statements in the article are clear and accurate to the best of my knowledge. If I find sentences confusing or complex, I try to break them down and explain them in a manner that seems clearer to me. If I think information or phrasing is repeated, I try to condense it down to one location (unless it is a particularly long page, where reiteration may be warranted, like Angel Lore). If there is a statement I think could be misinterpreted, I remove it or reword it. If I find two pages to be similar, I may try to transfer information from one to the other to make their content more distinctive. These are general concepts in my editing, and on occasion I do deviate from them.

You asked specifically about changes under the Leaders of the Host section in the Host of Heaven. I'll explain my changes there in detail so my rationale is clear. I'm sorry if this is more detail than you were looking for, but I want to be explicit. In the first paragraph, I moved the last sentence up because it seemed to be more concerned with the Seasons 4 and 5 understanding of host leadership. This made the last two sentences about Raphael and the civil war, which is the most up to date information. I split the information about the civil war into two sentences because I felt it was becoming a run-on sentence, and a pause was needed between the introduction of the civil war and a discussion of the combatants. I removed the phrase 'loyal to Heaven's will' because I think in this season, there is not a single will of Heaven as it was understood in seasons past, i.e. under Michael. Under the description of Michael, I removed the statement that Castiel and his allies are loyal to Michael because I do not feel this is the case. Michael wanted to fight Lucifer and end the world, and Castiel did not support this plan; he even firebombed Michael to postpone his confrontation with Lucifer. Under the description of Raphael, I shortened the first phrase because 'executes commands for angels of lower hierarchy' was unclear to me, and I do not recall Raphael ever doing work to help angels of a lower class. I deleted what was the third phrase in the paragraph about Raphael because there was a sentence later in the paragraph that dealt with Raphael's goals.

This was my thought process. I mean no offense to the originators of pages in my edits, and if you have any follow up concerns I would be willing to discuss them. --MisterGlass (UTC)

Sorry again for the delay. I see there is already a Gabriel's Horn page now, so that's good. Traditionally, Gabriel's Horn will sound during the Apocalypse. As for the disease manipulation questions: Lucifer, as an angel, would be able to inflict suffering on other in the form of illnesses much like Zachariah, but I do not think he was behind the swine flu outbreak. That would have been Pestilence, acting as part of Lucifer's apocalyptic plan. So the swine flu is connected to Lucifer's return, but he was not directly the cause. I agree that when both War and Pestilence were just kind of waiting, and when their "beeper[s] went off", they started acting out the plan. Hope you are enjoying the season so far. --MisterGlass

Missyjack

hey thanks so much so reverting the vandalism done by Temperance. I have blocked their account and prevented them from creating a new account. Thanks for all your work on the Wiki. We are not taking on anyone else to the Admin team at present, but we really appreciate all your input. And please feel free to make any suggestions about things you think the Wiki needs to me at admin@supernaturalwiki.com --Missyjack

I think the topic of Angelic Possession is adequately covered under the Vessels page. I think the word possession is not quite appropriate to the angelic situation also as it requires content of the vessel, which demonic possession obviously doesn't. Cheers --Missyjack

Sera G did mention in an interview that Death might come back...which would be awesome! --Missyjack

Hi - thanks for your idea about a "Manipulation" page. Generally we have to think how a new page would add to the Wiki - is it a term that needs explaining or something with that is different in the Supernatural 'verse. A good gauge is to think would someone visiting the Wiki either be looking for a page on that topic, or would it add to their interest or knowledge? Generally I would tend to not add pages that are very general, and I feel Manipulation is a broad term that you could say is a power of most supernatural beings.

So answer is probably no! But thanks for the idea. --Missyjack

Sure - fine to change pic, although i suspect others may change it again at some point! --Missyjack

Hi - I edited Rapahel's page as I don't think we have canon as to whether Gabriel is older or younger than Raphael. If there is canon, please reinsert the information with a link to the episode where it is stated. Also, you need to remember that as this is a multi-authored site, information you have edited may be changed by other editors. As Administrator, I do get the final say on any edits. Thanks --Missyjack (UTC)

Yes, you've done wonderful work on the Archangels pages, they are greatly improved. My only concern is in relation to the stated "birth"order of the Archangels. We know know that Gabriel and Raphael are considered the younger siblings to Michael and Lucifer, but does the show state anywhere that Raphael is the youngest of them all? If so we should add a reference, If not we should include something along the lines of "it is unclear whether Raphael is younger or older than Gabriel". --Missyjack (UTC)

Interesting observations and theory. In the absence of canon, we need to say "it is unclear whether Raphael is younger or older than Gabriel" on the pages themselves, but maybe you could put your observations on the discussion page for Archangels, as I am sure other people may find it interesting and have other views to contribute to the speculation. Maybe we'll find out more when Raphael returns. --Missyjack (UTC)

Thanks - for that work on the Archangel pages. One other bit I was thinking about was gabriel's vessel. The entry currently says : "Just like there's a chance that Cupids may be capable of instantaneous manifestation, Gabriel also may be capable of this because him using a Vessel was never mentioned in Canon whereas the other Archangel’s Vessels were presented in Canon."

Now I know what you're getting at, but I think really we've seen this with Cas, Michael (using Adam as a vessel) and Anna as well - in that they both continue to use the same vessel after its destroyed. I think Canon is pretty vague on exactly how the whole Vessel deal works - what destroys them, what happens to them when the angels are in their true form, etc. I think a more precise wording for Gabriel would be something like "While Gabriel can manifest in many guises, whether his usual form is that of a Vessel of human origin not stated." I leave it to you to think about!

--Missyjack (UTC)

I plan on unlocking the page after the airing of the last epsidoe for 2010. I figure we may get some more information on it in the next 2 epsiodes, and afetr that I'll reopen it for general editing. If there is any information you feel needs adding to the page now, please just drop me a note and I'll do it.

I also wondered - are you interested in helping with any of the episode transcriptions? They are hugely popular and people alsways tell me what a gerat resoource they are. I would love to get this season up to date and ideally all transcripts done by early 2011. I can supply you with a text file fo the dialogue - it just needs the addition of who's speaking and formatting for the Wiki. No rush, and if if you can just two one or two would be a great help. Just let me know whenever. Missyjack

Please remember I can't always reply instantly to your messages because 1) i live in Australia and there is a time difference 2) I work full-time. --Missyjack (UTC)

Don't worry too much about the Act breaks - you can leave them out. The breaks come at the end of each stage of the story. In Family Matters I'd say Act Two starts when the action moves to the Campbell Compund, Act Three starts with the scene of Sam and Dean in the car after the capture of the Alpha (or maybe back at the Campbell compund), Act Four starts with crowley's appearance. But as I said its not an exact science! --Missyjack (UTC)

Thanks for the great job on the transcript! They do take a bit of work, but so mkany people will be thrilled to have this available. cheers --Missyjack (UTC)

Sorry, but preparing the Wiki page for each episode is something I love doing and so I claim Admin privileges in doing it. I'll unprotect the page in a few hours.--Missyjack 03:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Good theory, but i think Sam killed Samhain. Missyjack

I've unlocked Lucifer's Cage for now. Given the controversy over the page please be careful to add only strictly canonical information and include references to any episodes which information comes from to help with verification. --Missyjack (UTC)

Hi - I didn't erase all your information - the opening para is still mainly what you wrote. I just wanted to keep the detail in there that told the whole story about Cage, and also reorder the quotes which were making the page difficult to read. Let me know if you think there is important canonical information missing. --Missyjack (UTC)

Hi - Just in relation to Raphael and Zachariah - you obviously have a strong view of how heaven's hierarchy operated, which is generally supported by canon. But we need to be careful about imposing our views on canon. So you reasoning seems to be that archangels are the most powerful angels in Heaven, and that Michael commanded Zachariah, therefore Rapahel commanded/was senior to Zachariah. Which is likely. However there is no mention of this in the Show. Prior to the end of S5 we only have an inference in 5.03 that Raphel may command some lower angels. In S6 - well the hierarchy has pretty much broken down, and again we don't have any evidence of him commanding 'senior' angels.

When the Show is vague on something I think it is best that we are too, so i would just remove the statement about any relationship between Zachariah and Rapahel.

Re: Lucifer's Cage - let me know what information you think is missing and I'll add it.

Also - can you let me know if you are going to finish the other episode transcripts. No problem if you don't want to, but I want to have all of S6 done by the end of January as they are such an important feature (People are always asking me for them!) so if you aren't going to do them I need to find other volunteers.

Thanks for all your work. --Missyjack (UTC)

Thanks - the changes read very well! --Missyjack (UTC)

Hi - have a read through Lucifer's Cage - i think all the information you have in the section you wrote are included in the opening intro and the section on the location of the Cage.--Missyjack (UTC)

Re: Manifestation page. I think the text at the beginning of the page is okay but I think the list you have doesn't add much as it simply lists first appearances of various beings on the Show. Many of these beings we now had manifested before we saw them on the show - for example Brady was possessed while Sam was in College. I think readers after information on people possessed or used as vessels would find better and more detailed info it on the character pages. A list on a page should be of things in a category not otherwise easily accessible.

So I don't think the list provides readers with useful information. What I think would helpful would be to replace this with a list of other pages relating to manifestation such as: Possession, Vessel, Angel Banishing Sigil, [{Exorcism]], Binding Link, Rituale Romanum, Devil's Trap (symbol) and a note on how they relate to manifestation. This is a collection of information someone might find useful to have drawn together.

In future, for pages like this please run the idea past me first so we can refine the idea before you work on the page. New pages really need to be a source of new and useful information. At this point in the Wiki's development, we want to avoid having pages which duplicate similar information as it makes it a chore to update them all whenever there is new canon and more difficult to ensure consistency across them all.

cheers --Missyjack (UTC)

You'll be pleased to know I finally found a reference in the Season 5 Supernatural Companion that Gabriel is the youngest of the archangels. The quote is "Gabriel is the youngest brother. He was God's greatest messenger before he grew tired of his brother's fighting, ran away from heaven and disguised himself as Loki, the Trickster." If you want to reference any of this just include S5Com as the source (this links to the S5 Companion book page. Cheers --Missyjack (UTC)

Hi - thanks for the info Alastair and the Enochian chant - could you add that and the episode references to the page on Enochian as it is missing from there. Cheers --Missyjack (UTC)

Hey there - I think information of Death's brief case would be great, but I think it should be included on the page for Death rather than as a separate page. In fact as I remember Pestilence also collected souls in a brief case so perhaps there should be information about that on Pestilence's page. You may want to add a note about briefcases and souls to the Four Horseman Page under the section on their rings, and also on the page on Souls. Happy New Year! --Missyjack (UTC)

Hey there - Sorry I can't see that the page "Earth" is necessary. I think all the information about Angels manifesting and the Apocalypse is covered on those pages. I really don't like creating new pages without substantial reason. As editors we need to think of this from a design and useability point of view for the Wiki user. On average readers come to the site for 6 minutes and visit 5 pages so it is better to keep information However you can create the page. Please ensure you stick to canon, provide references for claims, and also provide links to other relevant pages. please keep you language simple and straight forward. Sometimes your style of writing can make it hard to understand your meaning.

Can you also let me know whether you are going to complete the other episode transcripts, as I will be asking for other editors to help on this project. I am aiming to have all transcripts complete on the site by the end of January which would make the Wiki the only place on the internet with a compete set of episode transcripts. cheers Missyjack

Thanks for the catch on the Colt in 5.20 - hadn't noticed that! It should be added to the episode page, the Colt page adn Crowley's page. Bobby does actually wing him with a shot from it, befoer crowley says "that won't work on me". cheers --Missyjack (UTC)

hey there - yes the Conventions are open to everyone. If you check any Convention page, you'll find a link to the website where you can get information about which actors are attending and how to buy tickets. And each page will have links to reports adn videos from the Conventions. There are at least 15 Supernatural specific conventions on all round the world this year! --Missyjack (UTC)

And I think you are absolutely right about Gabriel's Horn and it should have an entry. i bet we will see it at some point! cheers Jules / --Missyjack

We are currently upgrading our spam bot protection, unfortunately its inevitable with a site that gets high traffic. I reverted the page Life and death to Dead...or are they" its original title. Please don't change the name of established pages. You can ask me if you think a page really needs renaming. --Missyjack 20:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC) Thank you for erasing those pages. I do appreciate your work on the Wiki. I'm afraid sometimes I am rushing - like now on my way to work - and forget my manners . --Missyjack 21:22, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up on the spam. We did install additional spam blocker software, but it obviously hasn't slowed things much. We are getting some additional tech advice and hope to get it sorted soon. Missyjack 13:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi - Just to let you know we are still working to get the spam stoppped, unfortunately they seem to be getting apst the software we've installed. I will be deleting the page "Omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent" because it is very vague and speculative. I will leave it there for a day in case you want to retrieve any of the text to use on the page for [{God]]. Hope you enhjoyed the return of the new episodes this week! cheers --Missyjack 20:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Loved this week's episode. it was brilliant to see the contrast between Sam with and without his soul - and what a cliffhanger. Re: Gabriel I don't think we will see Gabriel again. I ahven't seen any rumours or spoilers about it. But anything is possible in Supernatural! --Missyjack 01:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything from the writers saying they will use Raphael to heal Sam's soul. They could or I suppose it could also be healed by God or even by Mother. It might depend whether this is the last season or not. Maybe it won't be healed. --Missyjack 01:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi - can you please be careful when editing pages where the reference template has been used - if you delete references in the text it can muck up the reference template at the end of the page. Have a look at one of the pages where the template is used, and you'll see how the citations are coded in the text. It would be great if you could use the format as it makes the text flow much better. Otherwise please avoid deleting existing references when you edit text. Thanks --Missyjack 21:12, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey there - have created Reality Warping for documenting the things you mentioned. Thanks! --Missyjack 22:03, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know that the Supernatural Wiki has been nominated for an award at SFX (more details on our home page). We are up against some famous fan sites like Leaky Cauldron and The One Ring. This is a testament to all the great contrinuters like yourself who make the site so awesome. You can vote here - please spread the word! Missyjack

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Hi Anderson54 thanks for letting me know about the issue regarding creating those pages idea I had I wasn't sure if we were doing them or not since you never got back to me the first time I asked but now that you did thanks for letting me know about the overall issue. As for the soon to arrival of the Angels Rachel and The Hitman I'm excited for both of them to come onto the show but hopefully they give The Hitman a name besides just The Angel Hitman. As for Raphael I'm excited that he is returning but I'm curious to see how the issue of his old vessel and his new vessel are dealt with. The reason being I hope his old vessel is being repaired in some way because it would be awsome to see the return of Demore Barnes as Raphael because he did an awsome job. But also is this new vessel going to be in just one episode or throughout the rest of the 2nd Half of the season is Raphael going to have a new different vessel or is it going to be the vessel for the rest of the 2nd Half of the season since we know Raphael is going to be a key character for the rest of the 2nd Half of the season. Oh well talk to you later.

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