Talk:Crowley
What color would Crowley's eyes be, white or red?
I think it would be black, but it could be red because he is the "king of the crossroads".
Crowley, an agent of Death?
Crowley is an interesting character, and I feel there is much mystery about his nature. I question his designation as a "demon" for several reasons: Seemingly, he only uses his designation "King of the Crossroads" as a cop-out for telling a deeper truth; he isn't as sadistic like how demons usually are, and has no red eyes; he shot his own demon guards to free Sam and Dean when they approached him in his mansion in episode 5.10 Abandon All Hope; he promises to return Bobby's soul after Sam and Dean defeat Lucifer, something crossroad demons are reluctant to do, let alone the KING OF THE CROSSROADS.
Those are just a couple of things to think about, but since Crowley claims to want to kill Lucifer, there seems to be something glaringly strange about his demonic status. He may be some sort of demon, but in my opinion there is something more angelic about him. He also seems to know a lot about Death and is able to see reapers.5.21 Two Minutes To Midnight Interestingly enough, in episode 5.21, Crowley makes a statement to Dean as they approach the building in Chicago where Death was suppose to be, saying "hey, let's stop for pizza....just thought it was good, that's all." This probably hints to Crowley's associations with Death, especially his knowledge about him in the pizzaria; he probably knew that Death wouldn't have been in the building at "Ground Zero," but might have been acting deceptively to hide his identity when he told Dean that he didn't know where the horseman was.
Crowley apparently knew beforehand that Death was in the pizzaria, and had in mind all along to get the scythe back into the horseman's hands. We know that the scythe had been in the possession of demons prior to its return to Death by Dean.4.15 Death Takes A Holiday The horseman tells Dean that he needed to wait for him to "catch up" and couldn't go to him directly. My guess is that Crowley had been assigned the task of bringing Dean to the horseman at the pizzaria without Lucifer knowing. Crowley would or wouldn't have known that the scythe would burn if it was in Death's proximity, but if his intention wasn't really to kill Death, surely he would have known that killing him with the scythe would not have been possible, given that he is the "King of the Crossroads."
Of course these are just a couple of things I noticed while examining Crowley's actions, but I think it is important to mention something in the article about a possible link between him and Death. -Ano-User 05:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
It's an interesting idea that Crowley could be an affiliate of Death. It would be quite a story to see played out. However, I'm not sure that a significant connection can be implied based on what has been seen so far. It seems to me that while powerful and certainly unusual, Crowley is a demon, and most of his actions are driven by self preservation. While Crowley can see reapers, so can other demons. Alastair could not only see, but interact, with two reapers.4.15 Death Takes A Holiday And Azazel was able to possess Tessa.2.01 In My Time Of Dying
In order to find Death, Crowley needs (or at least claims to need) Bobby's soul. If this is true, then he does not already know where Death will be, something that would seem to be a prerequisite if he is involved in a plan of Death's to meet Dean. Locating Death in the pizzeria after they are already in Chicago may have been Crowley sensing Death's presence, even if he didn't know the location before arriving. Death's presence probably gives off a certain amount of power, possibly detectable.
Why Crowley hesitated to tell Dean that Death really was in the pizzeria is a tough question. Crowley's interactions with Dean have to date been about manipulation. He sent him to talk to Brady armed with a very flimsy story, and without telling Dean he was bait. I think that Crowley, while not necessarily affiliated with Death, suspected that the Horseman was not that interested in the Apocalypse. Maybe he got some indication of that in his bargaining to acquire the scythe. At any rate, he was once again sending Dean in with the wrong story, suggesting that he should try to kill Death. Crowley must have suspected on some level that this was not feasible, even with the scythe, especially considering that the other Horsemen couldn't be killed. He was stacking the odds in his favor: either Dean would kill Death and get the ring, Death would reacquire the scythe and talk to Dean, or Death would kill Dean. Crowley might have been worried about that last eventuality, because he might need Dean for something else in the future. That may be why he hesitated, trying to determine if this was the right time and way to approach Death. But he sent Dean in anyway, because they needed the ring to trap Lucifer, and Crowley's only escape from eternal torment was to have Lucifer gone. The chance of a positive outcome was 2:1 in his favor.
As far as his desire to get rid of Lucifer, with Lucifer gone, the demons will lack a leader. And I think Crowley would be more than happy to take advantage of the uncertainty to regain his importance and prestige. He was enjoying his time on Earth, living in a mansion, drinking and eating well, and making deals before Lucifer was released. And it was clear from Lucifer's comments in Abandon all Hope that Crowley was right, and that he had no qualms about killing demons. It would be interesting to find out if Crowley was already on Earth when the series started, or if he came out of the Devil's Gate in Wyoming.
But those are just some random thoughts, all of which could be proven wrong in the upcoming season. At this point, I think more information is needed. --MisterGlass 15:07, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- You are right, it would be better to wait for the next season to see how things will unfold. I was totally oblivious to the fact that Alastair and Azazel were able to have some sort of contact with the reapers. I guess that's why I said that Crowley may actually be a demon (or at least a "fallen" demon, for having fallen out of Satan's favor), but having bargained with Death sometime in the past is what I was trying to get at. You also have a good point about the chance of positive out come being 2:1, for Crowley may have been in a state of uncertainty. But in 4.15 Death Takes A Holiday, Alastair made a comment about Death's "three amigos" who were just "jonesin' for the Apocalypse," but Death himself didn't seem at all interested about the Apocalypse, as you said. Apparently Death and Crowley had their own agendas; that was to have Lucifer put away for good, not to jump start the Apocalypse. But you are right, it's better to just wait and see what happens. --Ano-User 02:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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Mansion Location in 5.10
Was it ever shown or discussed where Crowley's mansion was in 'Abandon All Hope'? I'm working on a ff and was curious as to the travel time between Bobby's house and Crowley's.
Unfortunately there's no mention of the location of Crowley's mansion. --Missyjack 05:58, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Crowley's sexuality - I'm leaving this as queer (or gay). His fathering of a son on its own is not a determinant of his sexuality. Throughout all his appearances in the show he is definitely presented as attracted only to men. The use of the term queer I think coveys the possibility of a broader fluidity. --Missyjack 22:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Inconsistency?
How can Crowley have been human and had a child in the 17th century but then have had relations with Naomi in Mesopotamia during the Babylonian Era around 1894 BC? Am I missing something or was this an oversight? --Penubag (talk) 02:57, 11 May 2014 (PDT)
