Dean's Cell Phone

Hi - In exciting news we will be upgrading the MediaWiki software and migrating to a new server over the next week. I would appreciate it if you can not make any edits to the website until after next Monday to assist with this. I will let you know when the migration is complete, and will look forward to your feedback on how the new site operates. Thanks again for all your Wiki work! cheers Jules

Hey - I appreciate the effort witht he new Death page but I think we have had that one page for too long, that i dont think fans will get the difference between Death and Death (Horsemen). I would prefer to keep it as we had it. I will ask for feedback from fans to see what best works, but lets leave it for now. cheers Missyjack (talk)

I've been pondering the Billie/Death issue. Given that she is unlikely to reoccur too often, for now i would add to both entries, with a note on Billie's to refer to Death entry for details on that role/prev character. Missyjack (talk)

Hi - can you be careful about posting spoilers from the Sneak Peek clip? You can leave what you've done but fans will get cross as we do say the Wiki is spoiler free! cheers Missyjack (talk)

As a thank you to all the regular Wiki editors, i'd like to send you this SPNFamily Pin I have made. If you'd like to send me your postal address at juleslwilkinson@yahoo.com.au I will pop one in the mail to you. And roll on Season 13! Cheers Jules / Managing Editor

As always I really appreciate all your input to the SuperWiki. However I note you have reverted a number of edits by Bvansanten without explanation. Again, unless an edit is incorrect or inaccurate, please don't delete. If its a matter of style, please message the editor and let them correct it. It is always polite to note why you are undoing someone elses work. If in doubt please ask me. As per below I will need to suspend your editing access if you continue to ignore my request on this matter. Missyjack (talk) Admin

Hey there, idk if you read this, as I just found out it's a thing... I appreciate your studiousness, but please don't alphabetise the see also lists on the cell pages, I'm still working on them and I have those in a certain order on each page. I'll sort it out when I'm done.Thanks. EmmaEsme (talk) Oct 5 2016

Could i please ask again that you do not delete the work of other editors unless it is canonically or factually incorrect? For example the list of warlocks and witches on the Witches page, and the trivia entry on the Fan Fiction ep page? If you have concerns that an addition decreases the readibility of an entry or think it would be better done another way, please message or email me to discuss. All editors have an equal say in the Wiki. I will need to suspend your editing access if you continue to ignore my request on this matter. Missyjack (talk) / Admin

Hi! Can I ask why you deleted all those characters from the "witches" page? I think mention of witches like Nadya (and that Ruby was a witch before becoming a demon) are worth keeping just as much as the mentioned-but-never-seen Men of Letters on their page, for instance. And why remove Rowena from the featured list, who's the most influential witch in the show? It didn't make any sense to me, so I just wanted to find out your reasoning, and ask you to restore that stuff if you're not strongly against it. Thanks for listening! Chitaqua (talk) June 17 2016

Can I please request again that you don't delete or make a major change to someone elses edits without discussing it with them. Its disheartening for an editor to find changes made to their work, and much better to leave a question and then discuss it with the editor - should we do it this way or that way? Or - do you confirmation that this is canon? A major function of the Wiki is for it be be an enjoyable experience for all. As a multi-authored site you wont always agree with how other people do things - I certainly don't! But we value everyone's contributions, and thinking your way is better is not reason enough to delete input. And you can always message me to ask my opinion. Thanks! cheers Missyjack (talk) 18:57, 17 May 2016 (PDT)

Please dont delete content on pages as you did with The Chitters episode page. All the content on that page - eg pics from the director - should go in the promotions section of the episode page. The ONLY content that should ever be deleted is that which is inaccurate, false, or a clear duplicate . Also, the episode page should go up after the episode has aired, as promo pics are considered spoilers. Cheers Missyjack (talk)

Hi - thanks again for all your work on the Wiki. It is much appreciated. Could i please ask that you are more respectful of other peoples contributions. A first principle of the Wiki is to never delete someone else's contribution unless its factually incorrect, or obviously spam. Its discourages other editors from contributing. Please do not delete entries - if you think a page is a duplicate of something existing, or not required please ask me to review it. If you think content doesnt fit with a page - for example recently ont he Dreamwalking page - then please suggest that tot he editor ie ï think the content you added better fits on the entry for Visions", or refer it to me. Its very important the Wiki continues to reflect the voices and contributions of all fans. Cheers Missyjack (talk)/Admin

Hi - could you take the creature pages out of the canon category please? I know they are strictly speaking, but so are most things in the Library! I'd prefer to keep canon primarily for episodes and characters. Just check with me first before doing mass re-categorisations. cheers Missyjack (talk)

Thanks for deleting all the spam pages. I have reported it to our tech person and hopefully we can get it stopped soon. cheers ~~

Hey, by any chance did you delete the Genesis 1:2 reference on Form and Void? Nilozot (talk)

I moved it to the top of the Trivia section. Mikael (talk)

Please do not delete any pages that have been created without first consulting with me. I have restored the Deity death page, which a fan is currently working on. Missyjack (talk)

Hey - I would keep it the way you have with a separate page for the sword. Maybe a reference at the top of the blade entry that there are also distinctive angelic weapons called angel swords and link to the page. thanks! cheers Jules Missyjack (talk)

Hi just wanted to let you know of a policy change. Episode titles are no longer considered spoilers before an episode is aired. So i will be naming pages for future episodes with the titles as they are confirmed. cheers Missyjack (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2015 (PST)

Hey there - can you just check the quality fo the pictures you are uploading. Uncorrected screencaps are often very dark and its hard to see them, they usually need lightening and contrast adjustment. thanks --Missyjack (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2014 (PDT)

Hi - Could you restore the content to the page Deities, and remove the "Gods" page. I had originally done that because have an entry Gods as well as Gods is confusing, which is why i had renamed the category int he first place. Also I would rather have the information on the category page, as that page really is the introduction to whats there. Thanks. Missyjack (talk)

Hi - Could you please put pics on entries like character pages at 300px rather than 400px? Works better for viewing on the smaller screens that many people use. Cheers Jules --Missyjack (talk) 16:19, 5 December 2013 (PST)

Hi Mikael I am aware that I don't have to always use the official spelled page as a link and that there are many redirect links available to use. I guess I mainly use the official spelled page version of the certain page link is basically out of habit and just my preferred method of editing things. I'll try to use the redirect links a little more often I guess the way I use now is just basically what I'm most comfortable with when it comes to editing on the site. Out of curiosity how did you like the start of Season 9? I myself real enjoyed it thought it was awesome favorite part had to be Death's appearance but overall I just real enjoyed the entire episode. Have to say real enjoyed the introduction of Ezekiel real interesting new character. Oh well good talking with you and talk to you later.

From Rod12

I thought season nine was interesting, especially that they made Dean cross a line like that. Mikael (talk) 21:37, 12 October 2013 (PDT)

Glad to hear you enjoyed the opening episode of Season 9 and I do agree with you about it being real interesting having the show make Dean cross the line of having Ezekiel possess Sam in order to save him. It real shows that Dean has come along way since the events of Season 5 where he was so against Michael possessing him along with making sure Lucifer didn't possess Sam. Overall it should make for a real interesting story arc for Season 9. Oh well good talking with you.

From Rod12

Yeah, though at the same time, it showed to still be a a co-dependent asshole. Mikael (talk) 22:13, 12 October 2013 (PDT)

Very true and him still being a co-dependent asshole calls back to Season 5 when the brothers went to Heaven and it was revealed that their soul mates and they along with other people that are soul mates can share the same Heaven. Out of curiosity who do you think will be the big bad of Season 9. Main reason I ask is because before the season started I had someone what of an idea of who it might be. But once I saw the opening episode my idea of who might be the big bad of the Season changed. Oh well good talking with you.

From Rod12

Abaddon is a definitely player, and Ezekiel may not be on the level. Metatron is going to be in the back half of the season, but I doubt he'll be the big bad. Mikael (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2013 (PDT)

I agree with you about Abaddon definitely being a player during Season 9 and you are right about Ezekiel he may seem to be helping the brothers now but once he gets back to full strength he might end up showing his true colors. As for Metatron he was the one I originally thought before the season began was going to be the big bad of the season but now after seeing the season opener along with the news of him returning around the back half of the season I'm doubting less and less that he'll be the big bad. Though it should be noted as a character he should never be underestimated his three episodes of Season 8 proved that to be definitely the case. Though in Episode 9 of this Season there suppose to introduce a new Angel called Malachi who might end up being a new recurring villain for the season. I mean in the casting description and the episode detailed notes it states he's building an army for some unknown purpose. I do hope the show deal more on the Natural Order story element because I always found that whole idea very interesting to see being expanded upon when Death first spoke of it to Dean an with this season it actually might happen story wise. Oh well good talking with you.

From Rod12

Just to say a big thank you for all the epic work you're doing to improve the Super Wiki. cheers --Missyjack (talk) 03:24, 22 April 2013 (PDT) / Admin

Is there some reason you're taking all the links off Music (Season One)? If there's a good reason, okay, but I don't see any reason. —EllieMurasaki (talk) 10:19, 21 February 2013 (PST)

Hey thanks - I've redone the Viggor page and changed all the references on linking pages. One question - how dot he closed captions spell Samandiriel, as I have also seen it spelled Samandriel? Thanks for all your work on the Wiki, you are doing such great work. And just to let you know that Robbie Thompson, who wrote last week's episode, said he found the Wiki to be an indispensable resource! So even the show's writer use us. cheers Missyjack (talk)

Thanks for identifying the song from the bar at the end of 8.09. I did a lyrics search, but couldn't find it! --Zebra363 (talk) 22:14, 11 December 2012 (PST)

Hi - In future, could you please run it by me before you redirect/move or change any page names. Now all the links that go to those pages need to be changed as well which are hundreds of links within the wiki. You can always email me at admin@supernaturalwiki.com or leave a message on my user page. Thanks. --Missyjack (talk) 04:03, 13 December 2012 (PST) / Super Wiki Admin

Hi. I'm in the process of changing the transcript pages to match the episode titles you've changed and will get to the rest of them over the next few days. What are you using as the definitive source for episode names? I noticed that you didn't change "Reading Is Fundamental", which appears with a small "i" on IMDB. --;Zebra363 (talk) 05:11, 13 December 2012 (PST)

Verbs should be capitalized in titles, and since 'is' is a verb I left it as is.Mikael (talk) 16:49, 13 December 2012 (PST)

I have to say, as someone who works in publishing and is constantly editing, I really appreciate that you got that right. I think it would have driven me crazy if you'd lowercased "is" and "are" --Ashley 15:49, 14 December 2012 (PST)

Cheers. I had no idea about the rules for "is" and "it", but have read up on the subject now. I'm yet to find another site that lists the episodes where they all appear to be correct. (It's too bad we can't do anything about "alright" in "The Kids Are Alright"!) Zebra363 (talk) 00:58, 14 December 2012 (PST)----

Wow - Thanks so much for the links to those posters. I'll definitely do an entry in the promotion section with those. cheers --Missyjack (talk) 02:36, 17 December 2012 (PST)

Thanks for the great work you've been doing. I do agree with you that Dr should be Dr. however one thing we need to balance on the Wiki is being grammatically correct and user friendly. Most people will search on Dr rather than Dr. so we'd need to do a Dr redirect anyway. So i'd rather leave this one as is. cheers --Missyjack (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2013 (PST)

In my unsolicited opinion, it helps to look at the mishmash of British/Australian/Canadian and American spelling and punctuation on the site as a feature rather than a bug! --Zebra363 (talk) 03:06, 23 January 2013 (PST)

Hi - I am just wondering why you undid my edits to Timeline (Season 9). I was going to use those dates to help me fill in the remaining missing timeline entries for all the episodes of Season 9. I used updated dates from the link provided at the bottom of the page. If I am not supposed to be editing that page then please let me I know and I won't mess with it. --HellatusHater (talk)

Because those dates are not actually verifiable. They are just conjecture, and conjecture is not fact. Mikael (talk)

Doesn't that mean that all of the timeline pages are conjecture, then? They are all the exact same info from the link provided at the bottom of each timeline page which is the same link I used to update the season 9 timeline. --HellatusHater (talk)

Those pages are fine for that, I mean there are pages on shipping, but that shit isn't canon. To use those dates as proof for timeline in the actual episode pages is not factual. Plus, those dates for season 9 were so very wrong. Because Sam actually says in "#THINMAN" that it has only six months since spirits began to become stuck in the Veil. With "Sacrifice" taking place in late May means that episode took place around October. The episode dates after that are unknown up until "Alex Annie Alexis Ann" where dialogue in the episode suggests it to be 2014. Unless an actual date is shown in an episode like in "Slumber Party" with Charlie's tablet, or with dialogue like "#THINMAN," then it shouldn't be used on the episode pages. Mikael (talk)

Ok, I understand your point, although I think that means that a lot of the stuff on the timeline pages for all seasons is conjecture. Looks like you'll have to clean up the mess I made because I used dates from the timeline pages to fill in the timeline entries for episodes from seasons 5-8. Sorry about that, didn't know there was a strict policy regarding what is used in the timeline entries on episode pages. I think you may want to look back at some of the episode pages for seasons 1-4 as well then because I just looked at 4.08 Wishful Thinking and it has a speculated date listed in its timeline entry, although it is pointed out as being speculation.

Edit: I just remembered that Charlie was able to get into Heaven in 9.04 Slumber Party, which means that spirits had not yet become stuck in the Veil. Since that was in June 2013, that means that "#THINMAN" took place in December 2013 at the earliest. Also, November is six months after May, not October. --HellatusHater (talk)

The Charlie thing was a canon cockup, they decided to have Heaven locked for everyone in "Captives." So it's a retcon, since they never had Metatron mention he decided to keep Heaven locked up from angels and souls and the October date should used. Mikael (talk)

Sorry for bothering you again about this, but I have fixed the timelines for episodes in seasons 5-7 by denoting unverifiable dates as speculation in keeping with the format used for seasons 1-4. As long as people know they are speculation, I see no harm in including them in episodes' timelines as an educated guess of when each episode takes place. If it ok with you I can add back in the dates for season 8 and some of season 9 (excluding the ones that are wildly off in your opinion) and denote the unverifiable ones as speculation. Some of the ones I had added were in fact verifiable (Southern Comfort, LARP and the Real Girl) and should definitely be included in the timelines for the respective episodes. If you have no interest in having speculated dates on the timelines in episode pages to act as rough estimates then I will go back and remove all speculated dates and time frames from seasons 5-7 and I guess from seasons 1-4 as well to keep things consistent across the board for all seasons.

Note: Many of the dates and time frames used, while not explicitly stated in the episodes themselves, are based on other verifiable dates or days of the week either given in the episode itself or in a future episode. So long as they are not contradicted by canon I don't see why they cannot be included in some form. Also, the timeline pages themselves are mostly conjecture so I don't see why season 9's needs to be made to not match the timeline linked to at the bottom of its page unlike all of the other ones, especially because the dates for 9.21 through 9.23 revolved around a date provided in 9.22, and thus are not unknown but are reasonable assumptions. I don't understand why there are separate timeline pages and then timeline entries for each episode if they are not meant to match up in some way. --HellatusHater (talk)

Again, there are pages on shipping too. But that doesn't make that stuff canon to be included on episode pages, unless there is verifiable proof in the episode itself, the timeline should be left blank. It's one thing to link a timeline from info given in an episode to a past one or vice versa, but it's another to just pull a date out ones ass and label it speculation and think that's factual. As for the "speculation" in early episode, I'm going to be going back and cleaning up all the old episode pages once the site is back at 100% and showing all pictures. And again the Timeline page for season 9 was completely off given the info in "#THINMAN." Mikael (talk)

Ok, I'll just stop messing around with the timelines then. If you want I could remove all speculation from the timelines in the episodes for seasons 1-7 while you deal with the picture issue. It is the least I can do after making such a mess of them before. --HellatusHater (talk)

It's fine. I'll get to them when I get to them. No need to worry about it. Mikael (talk)

Changes to 1.02 Wendigo

I don't understand why those changes had to be made. If anything, it seems to me that information was removed. Also, can you put Edit summaries next time you change pages?

Thank you

I wanted to thank you for fixing my formatting on AMC Pacer and Andy's van. I'm still getting used to how things should be formatted on this wiki - every wiki is different in how they want things done, it seems. So thank you for cleaning up my mistake. :) - Solus Cheese ^Talk 20:22, 16 June 2014 (PDT)

• Also, as a quick question, how should I mark empty pages (such as Deleted Scenes, Sam's Sideburns, Season 2 Crew, and Season 7 Crew)? With a {{stub}} template? Also, how do I mark pages that should be deleted, such as the Broken redirects? We don't have a {{delete}} template. Thank you for your help. :) - Solus Cheese ^Talk 21:34, 16 June 2014 (PDT)

You should ask User:Missyjack about that stuff, she's the owner/admin of the site. Mikael (talk)

RE:Actor Pages

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know this wiki's policy on notability: I was trying to reduce dead links. I'll be more careful about single-episode actors from now on. Thank you. - Solus Cheese ^Talk 18:56, 17 June 2014 (PDT)

• Oh! And if you want to skip the middleman on Unused Images, here's a link to its Special Page. I used the Special Pages all the time when I was an active admin on another wiki, but they can be hard to find. C: - Solus Cheese ^Talk 18:59, 17 June 2014 (PDT)

Formatting issues

Just wanted to let you know some of the Wiki formatted may appeared problematic over the next week as we are working behind the scenes to make a mobile friendly version of the site. Will be back to normal soon! Missyjack (talk) 02:58, 19 June 2014 (PDT)

Deletion of images

I notice you have deleted a lot of images. I assume this is for good reason but before you under taken any actions that delete, change, move or reformat a number of pages at once PLEASE check with me so I can approve before it proceeds. We are trying to work on the Wiki formatting and now have to spend time working out whether some images are not appearing due to a coding issue or because they've been deleted. So please - it would save a lot of time and worry for me! Missyjack (talk)

Thanks for the info - in future just drop me a note like that beforehand! I appreciate the clean up! Cheers! Missyjack (talk)

Dean/Castiel and Queerbaiting

Hello, Mikael! Rather than have this go into an edit war between us, I wanted to clarify my comment on the revisions of the Dean/Castiel page. Your addition that Misha Collins (and just adding Misha Collins) is queer baiting Supernatural, while saying that Shippers give him a pass, is incorrect. As a shipper, I can assure you that Misha's comments are also in discussion along with many other individuals, instances, and situations on and off screen. My intention in revising the already present queer baiting portion was to both indicate that queer baiting is discussed by the fandom (without solidly indicating that it is, 100% confirmed agreed-upon queer baiting) without adding any commentary about individuals within the cast and crew. If you would like to read about cast and crew queer baiting (not just Misha, as your edit would have someone believe) I would recommend reviewing the sources that I attached as further reading. As it stands, I assumed that as a resource for all fans and for the cast/crew, keeping the SuperWiki a less accusatory and aggressive site would be beneficial to all. --Exorcisingemily (talk) 22:23, 15 January 2015 (PST)

And yet it is all fairly one-sided, and none of the sources provided criticize Misha, in fact one of them uses something he said at a con as proof of queer baiting by the show, but doesn't call out Misha for the comment. There's not even a sentence in any of them that rebuke any claims, and since the majority of the articles about it are written by shippers (except for the Advocate one which was just reporting an incident and not an opinion piece) it's very hard to take your statements seriously about neutrality, when that is clearly not the case going on. So if the writers are getting called out for making the odd joke/reference to it in the show (which they haven't done since season 7 with Meg's sarcastic comment), and getting called queer baiters for it, but Misha does the exact same thing at conventions, and basically gets deified just for talking about it. If for example Robbie Thompson jokingly saying "Destiel isn't canon?" on Twitter gets used as proof against the show (which it has), but Misha telling a con Dean & Cas are in love gets nothing giddy applause (in addition to bringing those audience members hopes up, who will then go on spread the word; that sounds like baiting the fans on to me). It's hypocritical. My personal opinion, I don't think the show queer baits at all, it's made a handful of jokes about it like Wincest, and everything else is people reading a scene how they want to read it/see it. But one thing I can't stand is hypocrisy/double standards and that is what I've been seeing in regards to Misha constantly getting a pass on this stuff, where the writers/producers will get called anything from homophobes to queer baiters by the shippers, Misha gets away scot-free on this subject (lord knows he's gotten called out for the other dumb shit he's said in the past). Mikael (talk)

I'm not here to try and convert you or anyone else to Destiel, or to try and convince you of my point of view. If you don't see the subtext in recent seasons, that is your viewpoint and it is your right to ship or not ship on Supernatural however you wish. That said, I'm pretty deep in the Destiel fandom at this point, and I AM part of the queer baiting discussion, and I assure you Misha's role is discussed. You said it yourself that his comments are in the articles about it, you just don't feel he's "called out" on it. If he's in the article, that IS him being called out as part of the issue. I think the problem is you feel his fans (who are a large part of the queer baiting discussion) still LIKE him after, and... of course we do? We also like the show. You are allowed to enjoy things that are problematic even after you recognize they're problematic, or else we wouldn't have much TV to watch at all. Additionally, none of his fans believes he writes the show or has an influence on the show direction in this matter, we do not believe that he has ill intentions in his comments at conventions, and we know that he is not the only one in cast/crew furthering the queer baiting. Rather than update the article indicating instances from multiple sources, though, your focus on just Misha made the tone of the article 'Misha does all the queer baiting and his fans are blind.' That is accusatory. I respect your opinion, and even your frustration. It is hard to see criticism of something you love. But that page on the Wiki wasn't the appropriate place to make your stand against Misha's behavior, which is why I attempted to update that segment to remove not just Misha's role, but to make the entry even-handed about whether they're queer baiting at all, leaving that up to reader decision. --Exorcisingemily (talk) 04:55, 16 January 2015 (PST)

Hey Mikeal

You must be very popular, Congratulations on such a successful account. It would really mean a lot to me if you chatted with me sometime. My email is on my page. Hope to chat soon! :)

Hi, I'm new on this site and I know only just enough about it to try and make a page for a character, so I created one for a minor character in 3x02 but you deleted it and I would like to know why

Question

I'm just curious why you deleted my Tiny Tim addition. I think some fans appreciate knowing about recurring pop culture references. Tericee (talk) 09:11, 21 April 2015 (PDT)

Death

Why'd you remove what I just added to the trivia section? While there's no solid evidence for this, there's a theory out there that says that "Death" actually might have just been some normal guy who God gave the title and job to, which would explain why he looks at his job as a burden, and I clarified that it's just speculation. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:06 AM, March 10th 2017

That's the point. It's a theory, one that is not backed up by any canon. Canon is Death was around before mankind, he talks about finding the Leviathans entertaining. That right there throws the theory out the window, Leviathans came before humanity and angels. Mikael (talk)